Discussion on step 10,11 and 12 of 12 step programs

This is the latest podcast featuring myself and Jon who runs his own blog at https://jonsleeper.wordpress.com which is well worth a look.

The steps do vary slightly depending on what 12 step group you go to but the ones I read out were:

Step 10

Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.

Step 11

Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood God, praying only for knowledge of God’s will for us and the power to carry that out

Step 12

Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to other addicts, and to practice these principles in all our affairs

During the podcast,  Jon plays a section of a talk by Russel Brand and mentions a rebuttal to it which can be found here.

The Armoured Skeptic responds to Russell Brand’s refutation of Stephen Fry:
 We do broaden the discussion at times, and talk about meditation which is something that I feel is worthwhile, but is not something that appeals much to Jon. We talk about the spiritual/ religious side of AA and  why we feel the program could be much more effective if it was updated.
I have found it very interesting going through the steps with Jon, because I only got as far as step 5 when I was member. I do see that they can help some people but also feel that many are put off by them and realise that it is important to make sure people who do struggle with the 12 step solution are made aware of more modern alternatives. I certainly don’t see the 12 steps as treatment, and feel that the rehab industry should be more flexible and try to match support groups and solutions to the values of the person trying to recover.



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