Is Alcoholics Anonymous a Destructive Cult?

Jon who often does podcasts with me and has his own blog which is really worth reading has done this podcast with Chris Shelton about the cult side of AA. This is what he says about it.

I did a podcast with Chris Shelton, a recovering Scientologist who spent 27 years in that harmful destructive self help cult. His YouTube channel is amazing. I’ve been following it for a couple of years and am a big fan. Recently, Chris appeared on Leah Remini’s hit TV show “Scientology & The Aftermath”. We discuss some of the nuances around Alcoholics Anonymous. AA’s not a cult, it’s a very successful peer support group. It does share similar thought reform technology – only with positive outcomes. There’s never been a better time for people struggling with alcoholism / addiction to find recovery. I’d encourage anyone to explore the options now available — particularly AA, SMART Recovery and The Sinclair Method. These tools can also be used in combination. There’s a wrench for every nut. Thanks for having me on the show, Chris.

I think it is well worth a listen, and he puts forward a balanced view. It is certainly not the type of Anti AA rant that you sometimes find on Youtube. I am also interested in the negative effects of Scientology having known people who joined that cult.

Jon does many great talks on AA, and I can certainly recommend them.


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    • The cure for addiction is in your mind.

      No one is addicted to anything.

      “Addiction” is a symptom of fear.

      Like all mental illness its source is fear. However, the “cause” of the fear which produced the symptom of addiction is not real. Anything you say “I AM” to you become, even if it is not true. So, to say and believe “I am an addict” is insanity. The reason for the insanity is cognitive dissociation. Cognitive dissociation is believing something that is not true and then “acting” as though it is. This produces a deep sense of unworthiness in the mind of the believer. Because he or she blindly believes that this symptom/’condition’ is lifelong, this is entirely untrue. If we have been telling ourselves for many years, in meetings and to friends and family, that we are addicted, when we begin to say “I AM NOT AN ADDICT” it is at first frightening because we do not believe it, being that we have deceived ourselves for so long.

      IT IS however THE TRUTH that sets us FREE!

      It becomes easier and easier to say “I AM NOT AN ADDICT.” And as times goes by, your behavior will change and reflect this new thought. This will induce a freedom and happiness that surpasses all intellectual understanding and in time will return your life to you. Every time you remind yourself, “I AM NOT ADDICTED TO ANYTHING” you step closer and closer to the elimination of fear, which produced the belief that addiction was real. Seek you first the Kingdom of God that is within you and then all things will be added unto you. We have persisted in trying to “add all things” without looking where the Great one told us to look, (WITHIN). The Holy Spirit is in your mind as a conscious Helper in a very literal sense. The Holy Spirit overcomes the false perception that you have held about yourself. He does this by assisting you in changing your mind about yourself. To the ego or “believer” in addiction this is all quite foolish and unbelievable, that does not matter. If you will put into practical application the teaching you are about to read, you will be convinced that all addiction was nothing more than a belief in fear. Fear NOT!

      “Contempt prior to investigation keeps men and women in everlasting ignorance.” ~ H.Spencer

      The realization that we were never addicted and only afraid of our thoughts, due to our false beliefs brought about by cognitive dissociation, enables us to stop attending “meetings” that continue to induce improper thinking. Now time is spent in learning to quiet the mind that thought it was addicted, and which produced the self-imposed prison of addiction. The believer’s in addiction never felt “better” in their addiction, they only felt “different”. This was because while engaged in the insane behavior of addiction their mind was quieted of the badgering thoughts centered on the blind belief, “I am an addict.” You have Help. This is not church. Jesus Christ is the ultimate cognitive therapist. He Atoned or undid for all improper thinking (sin), of which “addiction” is the most prevalent. When you REPEAT: “I AM NOT AN ADDICT”, it will be the Holy Spirit Who will comfort you through the Atonement process of which the resurrected Christ Jesus is in charge of. Be not concerned with relapse. “Relapse” is and was only a symptom of the belief that you were addicted. Before a relapse occurs fear has entered. The Holy Spirit will dispel the fear that produces a relapse if you will continue to call in FAITH (at first) upon the Risen Savior within the Kingdom of God that is with you. He will respond to the slightest invitation for help, but Remember YOU must call on Him or you will not know that He is there. The more you call on Him the more your Faith in Him will be and the more your life becomes a means of teaching others, who were like you, that they themselves were never addicted to anything, only greatly deceived. You will come to a quick and easy realization that He Is helping you.

      The second coming of Jesus Christ is not after you die, on no! The Second Coming of Jesus is the awareness of the resurrected Christ within the “Kingdom of God” that is within you. (Luke 17)

      What you are reading is not some form of misinformation to be dis-guarded. If you will put the teachings of Jesus Christ into practical application into your life, NOW, you will quickly become aware of the insanity and sadness of blindly believing that you were ever addicted to anything. Begin by FORGIVING everyone all of the time for everything. Start with yourself. You will release the guilt of the past by FORGIVING yourself unconditionally. FORGIVENESS is “anointed” by Christ Jesus. It is His method of releasing the mind from the hell we made of our life. You must be a “guiltless learner” by forgetting All your past mistakes. They are not here, and they are not NOW! If guilt resurfaces in your mind, quickly allow then Holy Spirit to dispel it by calling upon the Risen Savior Lord Jesus Christ. You will begin to feel Born Again with a new lease on life without the heavy burden of addiction weighing on your mind. To be Born Again is to realize that Jesus did in fact ascend unto the Father, for you.

      FORGIVENESS held unconditionally in mind will release you from all fear by keeping your mind in the here and now. Surrender all your thoughts “good and bad” to Him and He will do the rest. Be not concerned with earning large stacks of green paper strips and metal discs that this world calls valuable. He will supply ALL your needs as you step back and let Him lead the way. When you DO NOTHING you allow Him to do Everything though you. He will not leave you comfortless. This is YOUR TIME TO HEAL.

      In closing, addiction is a mockery of the Sons and Daughters of God. God knows nothing of addiction, only its cure. And the cure for addiction in any form is the realization that it was never true. Say to yourself upon rising everyday: “Day by day in every way my life gets better and better.” And it will be so. You have willed that the Kingdom of God be made aware for you and the Holy Spirit cannot but fulfill that request. The Father has sent you a Comforter in the name of Jesus Christ!

      Enjoy your new life and Never ever doubt that you have been abandoned by your Creator. He sent a Savior and that Savior has saved you. All you need now is to believe, not in addiction but in the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

      • I certainly belive addiction is real and am glad it can be treated these days by methods that work such as the Sinclair Method and that there are support groups out there along with therapists. There is no place in my life for religion of any kind. I have no interest in legends, the spirit world, shaving my head, growing a beard, wearing a silly hat or mutilating my genitals which are all considered essential by some religious people.

  1. yes,Alcoholics is harmful for health because it also causes bad health and human’s also loss our future goal for health.

  2. That’s a very interesting question but at the same time kind of tricky to answer. We all know that there’s no such thing as “one size fits all” in life and it is no different in alcohol or drug addiction or even in addiction recovery.
    Some folks swear by the program and the level of support they get to experience, while some folks might not feel they got much benefit.
    The ideal solution of course, is to find the best program that would cater for every aspect of recovery so that any chance of relapse is greatly reduced.


  3. My mother has started a Facebook group called Running from the 12 Steps. It is meant for those who haven’t had success in 12 step programs. It won’t be a bashing of 12 step programs, it can be for sharing ideas about how to stay clean but also for family members who have someone they know dealing with substance abuse. We just started it and welcome all who are interested in a non 12 step approach. Thank you!

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